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Voyk

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Calling Hunyadi's father as Voyk of Wallachia is a lie! No any source called that way! This is how rumenians distort history and trying stealing people from other nations! The correct form is Vojk, which is a traditional Hungarian name used since 10th century. It is also used by Cumans. The vlach version Voicu is mentioned only from 15th century! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4E:1118:DE00:410A:A5B6:B32D:2D54 (talk) 20:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wallachian is a dated exonym of the endonym Romanian that is used in present-day

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Hello, just wanted to add Romanian to Wallachian ancestry, since Wallachian is a dated, historical exonym for Romanian. In the native Romanian language, Wallachia was called "Țara Românească" 'The Romanian Country'. Hope this context, adding Romanian in parenthesis will be allowed.

Thank you very much in advance, have a good day! Ninhursag3 (talk) 20:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • In the context, Wallachian refers to somebody who came from Wallachia. Borsoka (talk) 01:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The area was Cumania not so late before Hunyadi
    Hi @Ninhursag3, modern nationalities and ethnicities are modern things and the medieval times were different. In that context, contemporary source writes about Hunyadi as origin from "noble, famous family of Wallachia", origin from the area is not the same as nationality. Do you say that everybody in Wallachia 600 years ago was only Romanian? Kingdom of Hungary was also multiethnic, and Romanians like to emphasize this. Double standard? Wallachia was a multi ethnic country also like many other medieval states, and the Wallachian nobility were Cuman origin. In order to protect the southern territories of the Kingdom of Hungary, the area that has always been in focus. The name of Wallachia was Ungro-Wallachia in medieval times, i.e. Hungary-Wallachia, which had a Hungarian population also. Family of Hunyadi was also Catholic while Romanians were Orthodox, mother of Hunyadi was Elizabeth a Catholic Hungarian name (Romanians do not use that name) his sister was Clara, again a Catholic name. There are many contemporary and modern theories about his origin, it is not correct to show just the Romanian theory as main theory as final truth in the lead, because most Hungarian historians refuse the Romanian origin, so I do not understand why Romanians want to supervise and overwrite the Hungarian historiography about a Hungarian historical character to rise their theory exclusively as main ultimate truth. Hunyadi considers a great Hungarian hero and clearly a main character in Hungarian history and not in Romanian history, as we can see his life in the article. The Romanian theory is already mentioned in the article, here also Hunyadi family.
    Anyway could you tell me there is a "Hunyadi fetish" in Romania? I see in everywhere in the internet Romanian users always repeat or start to say "Hunyadi is Romanian", even if the topic is about foods or anything else. But after this I see they are unable to say any more thing about him, just this. Can you say more thing about him? Can you improve the article about any other thing what is relating to the life of Hunyadi?
    Btw I see according to the 100 greatest Romanians TV show, Burebista and Decebalus was also "Romanian", I bet they did not know about this 2000 years ago, and in 1980 the national-communist Romanian state celebrated its 2050th anniversary...:)
    File:Hunyadi dna.jpg
    According to the genetic test, (which is science) Hungarian scholars were confrimed that he was not Romanian. Closest modern population to Hunyadi family: German, Serbian, Hungarian, closest ancient population is Scythian and Visigoth. Closest archeo samples in the order according which is the most closest: first Scythian (Otyar - Kazah steppe), then medieval Sardinia, then Germany, England, Denmark, and from the Carpathian Basin: Hungarian (Hungarian nobleman, royal cancellaria basicilica), Avar, Hungarian conqueror, then ancient Tracian samples from the Balcan. Where are the Romanian sample matches? Or do you think the Romanian nobles from 1400 had Avar/Hungarian conqueror/Hungarian nobleman ancestry? OrionNimrod (talk) 09:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can imagine without difficulty that an ethnic Romanian individual had no Romanian ancestry. For instance, Queen Victoria was British although her ancestors were ethnic Germans. Genetics cannot determine ethnicity but ancestry. Borsoka (talk) 10:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is agreed that Hunyadi was of Wallachian ancestry, but only in regional sense. Wallachia wasn't an ethnographically homogeneous country, and there's no scholarly agreement on what folk there he ascended from. Gyalu22 (talk) 17:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're just hating that John Hunyadi was Romanian/Vlach, because he was a very important figure in Hungarian history. And as we all know, Hungarians are very antagonistic against Romanians. You have no way to prove that John Hunyadi wasn't Vlach/Romanian. Ninhursag3 (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Iancu as a Romanian name?

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John Hunyadi is commonly called Iancu by Romanians, and I think the Romanian version of his name should be written as Ioan/Iancu de Hunedoara. LaszloKov (talk) 17:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanna confirm and say that you guys should change his romanian version of the name, nobody calls him "Ioan de Hunedoara" in Romania, he is known as "Iancu de Hunedoara", he even apears as such on the romanian Wikipedia Volfus Dăcescu (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
my bad, he apears as "Ioan de Hunedoara" on the romanian version, I just assumed he would be called "Iancu" there, cause no one in real life calls him "Ioan" Volfus Dăcescu (talk) 21:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2024

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Change the Romanian name from "Ioan de Hunedoara" to "Iancu de Hunedoara" DBogdan01 (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Even Romanian Wiki uses the latter form. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: no reason given for the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 15:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olah János

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His contemporaries called him Olah János. This is beyond any doubt. This information must be included in the article. How should we procede? Caliniuc (talk) 22:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CITE mainstream academic WP:SOURCES to that extent. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Caliniuc, do you want to know better his Hungarian name than native Hungarians? Hungarian wiki: “Hunyadi Janos” https://hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunyadi_J%C3%A1nos
His statue, Heroes Square’ Budapest, please consult with Hungarians that you know better that his name is not his name in Hungarian
OrionNimrod (talk) 04:30, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The name used by his contemporaries was John the Romanian (Olah Janos in Hungarian, Johannes Olah de Hunyad, etc.) as per numerous primary and secondary sources:
...Hunyadinak családi neve Oláh volt , s az erdélyi Hunyad várról , melyet már 1409 - ben uj adományban nyert , vette Hunyadi nevét...
If for some reason one finds this information troublesome, they should articulate in an scholary-ecnyclopedical manner the reservations with it. Otherwise, it is mandatory for this relevant information to be included in the article. Caliniuc (talk) 10:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the 21st century WP:RS from your search: there are not many, and most of them have a nationalist POV.
I'm not saying that Pop is wrong, but everybody knows he is a nationalist and that he is doing propaganda for the nation state. tgeorgescu (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That he was sometimes called John the Vlach is mentioned in the article. Borsoka (talk) 02:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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