Talk:K-pop

Addition of images on infobox

I would like to know why to place images of artists in the infobox about music genre? Who chose which artists would be notable here? There aren't Big Bang, BoA, and others. In addition, what is the point of this type of edition that doesn't bring improvements to the article? In pop music article, we haven't images of Michael Jackson and Madonna on infobox, in rock music article we haven't images of Elvis and Beatles. This is because the articles already mention the notable artists.

Please consider removing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.19.164.94 (talk) 191.19.164.94 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2024

Hello I'm sending this request to please let me edit your page. Thank you. Sinothando4 (talk) 00:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Tollens (talk) 00:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Split the page?

Hi guys, this page has gotten absolutely massive. I think there's a good argument that K-Pop has become such a significant topic in recent years that many elements of K-Pop are deserving of their own articles.

This will allow for more in-depth analysis of certain aspects of K-Pop, as well as simplifying this behemeth of an article.

I would propose the following dedicated pages be created: K-Pop Dance, K-Pop Trainee System, K-Pop Fan Culture.

In my opinion, discussion of these topics would be more fruitful in their own dedicated articles. It would also allow the current sections on the main K-Pop article to be simplified.

I would be happy to create the drafts of these articles. Itzybella8 (talk) 01:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Split per nom. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 13:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

The initial proposition of Itzybella would take out from the page some of the most interesting part of the page.

For me what is really problematic are the constant repetitions and borderline promotional paragraphs.

The whole "popularity and impact" is absurd. It goes on and on on listing every single place where something happened or was well received. It could all be summed up in 1/10 of the space.

Same goes for the "social media" section, completelly redundant. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Split the popularity and foreign relations sections into "Impact of K-pop" leaving a summary here. Maybe the industry and history sections can be their own articles? The other sections all seem to be essential. Vacosea (talk) 11:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I think that the industry section provides a lof of vital info. Especially the "criticism" section should be top level and not a subsection of industry, and it is already quite compressed.

Other sections seems relevant as well, they are just extremelly long for the sake of publicity which is annoying. I would do as you said, give them their own page and keep a fair summary.

All of this requires consensus though, a lot of people are going to disagree and there is so much stuff to trim down. Already in the summary there are 12 music genres, basically most of them, being mentioned... Makes no sense. And why does it link to the page South Korean culture? It's so strange to read, as if it was promoting that page. and the following paragraph "While "K-pop" can refer to all" etc is so so confusing and unclear. I get the point they want to make but it makes no sense and takes so much extra words.

As you can see there are so many issues, I'd start to edit but I am afraid I would be immediatelly be target with reversions. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 14:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

We can try and see what happens or would you rather have a more formal discussion first to reach consensus? Vacosea (talk) 15:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure. There is also the issue of time. I am not sure of having enough right now.

I think that the best way would be to at least lay out a reorganization plan on the talk page, why move or shorten a section etc, then start to go through it slowly. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 11:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Should the popularity of K-pop section have its own article?

A new article named "Impact of K-pop" can include that information, leaving behind a summary. Vacosea (talk) 13:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I completely agree, but I would like to add something further. I think the fandom side of things deserves greater development in its own article / as part of your "Impact of Kpop" article (as its impact & popularity are inherently linked) also leaving a short summary on this page. I would be happy to collaborate with you on this.

I'm guessing your Impact of K-Pop article would include socio-economic and political impacts both domestically and globally? I'd be quite interested to research the impact on international relations / South Korean soft power. Itzybella8 (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Impact of K-pop can be good to fill with all the promotional mentioning that is in the page right now. I wouldn't remove any conceptual information from the main page.

I'll try to reread the whole page on the following weeks and list all possible changes for each section, but I have to find the time. I think that globally a 50% reduction can be achieved. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 12:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Is K-Pop a music genre?

This discussion has been moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music per WP:APPNOTE and WP:INAPPNOTE.

Due to my recent contributions being reverted/deleted, I think there needs to be a consensus if K-Pop is a musical genre or not. I'll go first; I think K-Pop is a musical genre because of numerous reasons, 1. Most K-Pop music is recorded in South Korea and released in South Korea. 2. If you can tell the difference between K-Pop and other songs, then it's pretty easy to tell which song is Korean. 3. K-Pop has a unique style that can be easy to differentiate. 4. K-Pop isn't just a musical genre, it's an industry, distributed and promoted in a very different way than other territories, even if it's just a little bit of a difference.

I understand that Wikipedia is fact based, and I'm not here to make or promote vandalism, maybe even if it's a trait of mine, I have no intention to make Wikipedia a bad place. Maybe this topic can turn into an article. Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 21:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC).