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Article on Abhira reference in 13th century book [Yadavabhyudaya]

Vedanta Yadavabhyudaya book [1] Desikan was a Sri Vaishnava Acharya who lived in the 13th century. He was instrumental in saving the Sri Rangam temple from the Muslim invasions. Vadakalai Sri Vaishnavas follow Vedanta Desikan’s teachings, in contrast to Thenkalai Sri Vaishnavas who follow the teachings of Pillai Lokacharya and Manavala Mamunigal.

In any case, the Yadavabhyudayam is a Sanskrit epic poem composed by Vedanta Desikan about the story of Krishna’s childhood. It is modeled after Kalidasa’s Raghuvamsa, a Sanskrit epic poem about the life of Rama.

निक्ात्ययस्नानसष्ठचतानां निश्िप्तमाभीरक्रिशोर्किणाम्‌ ।

कूलादुपाद्‌ाय दुङ्लजाहं इन्दाषिषूठो पु्दे भृङन्दः ॥ ४७ ॥ chapter 4.

Sri Krishna rejoiced (by freely seeing them naked) having ascended a Kunda tree, taking a number of silk sarees from the bank, kept there by the abhira-cowherd-Virgins, when they entered the water to bath in the early morning (as part of their vow).

suggestion to who so ever, trying to protect the article, please update the page as necessary for thankless effort. Clrsitusinsall (talk) 03:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles on Abhira or Ahir

One can refer gamit of articles Yadav_(disambiguation) by various communities including historical, mythological reference, pre-sanskritization, sanskritization, modern, post-indepdence. Good to improve this articles using pre-sanskritization reference for example:

A book written long before sanskritisation by James Todd "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan 1829" ^[1]

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^ James Todd. Tod, James (1829). Annals and Antiquities of Rajast'han or the Central and Western Rajpoot States of India, Volume 1. London: Smith, Elder.

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change "traditionally non-elite, peasant-pastoral communities" to traditionally agricultural community. As most of the castes identified along with Yadavs like Jat, earlier the page Jat had non elite as well but it is now removed or the other castes like Gujjar which are even considered lower in hierarchy than Ahirs and Jats also do not mention something like this. I think this is the Major problem in this page, seniors edtors may have a look. Refrences ^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7] Brandon42Paul (talk) 14:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting Refrences

Page Number 28 of Government of India Official District Gazetteer of Gurgaon

^[8] 2409:4050:2ECD:BEBA:E9F1:C933:AD5F:26E3 (talk) 15:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting reference

Martial Races of undivided India by Vidya Prakash Tyagi 2409:4050:2E33:6440:496F:1C74:4C85:D621 (talk) 01:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Not done for now: However, I think your 6th reference is the strongest reason to remove it: "The general OBC category was, in fact, often used by a Yadav elite to promote its interests.". Only because this argument has been going on for over a decade, I'm loathe to change it on my own. @C.Fred:, I noticed you closed a few of these out recently, any thoughts? – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 23:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: Removed "non-elite", which seems to be the locus of the dispute. There is significant opposition backed by evidence, and the burden lies on those seeking to include. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 16:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Can you please check Yadavs in Modern India section as well, it is purposely added there as well! Brandon42Paul (talk) 15:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Mahabharata and other authoritative works use the three terms-Ahir, Yadav and Gopa synonymous.^[1] 2409:4085:8595:1D21:0:0:23E8:48AD (talk) 15:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Chopra, Pran Nath (1982). Religions and Communities of India. Vision Books. p. 140. ISBN 978-0-391-02748-0. The Mahabharata and other authori-tative works use the three terms-Gopa, Yadava and Ahir synonymously.

Done Added to the "Origins" section. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dāsānudāsa, but you removed it. 2409:4085:9CCE:7ACA:0:0:8809:7C09 (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dāsānudāsa, The Abhiras or Ahirs, the Gopas and the Yadavas were one and the same; as such, Krishna was an Ahir and, at the same time, a Gopa and a Yadava too. The Mahabharata uses all the three terms-Gopa, Yadava and Abhira-as synonyms. And so do many others, like Buddhaswamin (Brihatkathashlok-kathashloksamgraha), Jayadeva (Gita-govinda) and Amarasimha (Amarakosha).^[1] 2409:4085:9CCE:7ACA:0:0:8809:7C09 (talk) 19:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to @NXcrypto:, Pran Nath Chopra is not a reliable source, so I reverted myself. I don't know enough about him to me a decision either way. If someone more knowledgeable about these sources than myself wants to re-add it, they can. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ The Illustrated Weekly of India. Published for the proprietors, Bennett, Coleman & Company, Limited, at the Times of India Press. 1974. p. 29.

[Abhira-1] James Todd. Tod, James (1829). Annals and Antiquities of Rajast'han or the Central and Western Rajpoot States of India, Volume 1. London: Smith, Elder.

[2] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Other_Lucknow/fjO6DQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PT49&printsec=frontcover

[3] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Geographical_Review_of_India/J4E7AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=ahir+agricultural++community&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&printsec=frontcover

[4] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Post_Disaster_Reconstruction_and_Change/UXbWBwtRXGsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PA85&printsec=frontcover

[5] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Report_of_the_Backward_Classes_Commissio/aH3aAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=ahir+agricultural++community&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&printsec=frontcover

[6] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Followers_of_Krishna/p69GMA226bgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+agricultural++community&pg=PA182&printsec=frontcover

[7] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Religion_Caste_and_Politics_in_India/XAO3i_gS61wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=yadavs+well+to+do+caste&pg=PA475&printsec=frontcover

[8] ttps://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Rajasthan/vm_KCE4XXPMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ahir+rajasthan&printsec=frontcover

[9] ttps://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s3d79c6256b9bdac53a55801a066b70da3/uploads/2020/10/2020101386.pdf

[10] Chopra, Pran Nath (1982). Religions and Communities of India. Vision Books. p. 140. ISBN 978-0-391-02748-0. The Mahabharata and other authori-tative works use the three terms-Gopa, Yadava and Ahir synonymously.

[11] The Illustrated Weekly of India. Published for the proprietors, Bennett, Coleman & Company, Limited, at the Times of India Press. 1974. p. 29.

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