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Special occasion idea: Olympics

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Discussion on Olympics

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Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I coordinated something like that for the last Olympics and had been planning on offering that service once more. Schwede66 21:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool idea! Lightburst (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also like this idea! I know of a couple topics that could provide Olympics-related hooks; I'll look into them. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 22:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've dug out the item that shows how we went about it last time: Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 180#Olympic hooks. Schwede66 22:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That looks like work @Schwede66:! Hopefully we can identify a few. Bruxton (talk) 01:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was somewhat involved! Schwede66 01:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some related considerations:

  • Moved to the Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
  • Done – added to the table below.
  • Done – added to the table below.

All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Toby Olubi hook is in prep 3. Feel free to pull if it's of any use to you.--Launchballer 06:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I don't know if you saw this, but my Toby Olubi hook is Olympics-related, and could also run near the start of the Olympics.--Launchballer 11:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn’t see that. I’ll have a look. Schwede66 13:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've pulled it out of Q3 and plugged the hole that I've made. Schwede66 23:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoySmith, no, that was not a copy-paste error. It's a note for the promoting admin that the admin checks had previously been done. Schwede66 00:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this is a good idea. If I were to promote that set, I'd run all the checks anyway. Partly because I have a work flow, and partly because if I'm going to publish something over my signature, I'm going to satisfy myself that it's correct. So all you've done by adding this note would be to create additional work for me because I'd have to figure out what's going on and then edit the hook to get rid of the note. RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this should be a subsection within the existing special occasion section, not a separate section. I have adjusted accordingly. I don't understand why the Solomon Islands hook—not shown above but in the section itself—is listed for the day before the Olympics starts; it looks like one that could run any time during the actual Olympics, which the article on the games lists as July 26 through August 11. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll add it to the table. Things got somewhat crowded last time, hence my thinking of running everything that’s not 2024 Olympics as a warmup beforehand. Schwede66 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, I can see where the confusion arises. As explained above, the Olympic competitions start on 24 July, two days prior to the opening ceremony. Schwede66 04:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, in that case the lede of the article is wrong. It should be made clear there that while the opening ceremony is on 26 July, the competition itself begins on 24 July. No objection to the Solomon Islands hook running on 25 July if the Olympics themselves have already begun by then; I see no reason why it can't run during the Olympics themselves on a date where there isn't anything more appropriate. I don't think it should be a "warmup" hook, however. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've put the line "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" into action and amended the lead of the 2024 Summer Olympics to spell out that some competitions start on 24 July. I'm easy about running "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" during the Olympics if there's room if that's what others prefer; I note we have three four five of those hooks. Schwede66 03:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it's not too crowded this time (yet). I'll move the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks to show during the Olympics. Schwede66 05:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I shall eat my words. It's getting rather crowded; should have started running the warmup hooks earlier including the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics". I don't think that we'll have a chance of limiting the sets to two Olympic hooks even if we shuffle things around; it seems we'll have more than two on average for the duration of the Olympics. Schwede66 00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if we really should have Template:Did you know nominations/Breaking Through (2022 film) run as part of the Olympics run since it deals with the Winter Olympics rather than the Summer Olympics. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do others share that concern? I don't think that Summer versus Winter Olympics is a big stretch. I note that there are four Winter Olympics hooks in the table above. The other thought is that any hook will have to run at some point, so why not have Olympic-adjacent hooks run just before the Summer Olympics? Schwede66 10:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think it was ever in the special occasion holding area. But I have no objection if you’d like to place it there. — Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 01:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I'm missing something, the only Olympic hook in prep 1 is my Toby Olubi hook, for which the supplied QPQ (Claude Hamilton Verity) was also a double nom?--Launchballer 13:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, you are all good, Launchballer. What isn't good is the Zhang Ziyu nomination. I'm not sure why the reviewer isn't signing off on it. Could someone else please check that the remaining issue ("sources vary") has been dealt with to satisfaction? This should go into Prep 1, and I've just made a hole for it (the prep set was already full). Schwede66 21:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Ticked off whenever.--Launchballer 10:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. Thanks, Launchballer. I've once more made a hole in Prep1 for Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu to be promoted to; can't do it myself as I was involved in coming up with ALT1. Would appreciate if somebody could do the honours and promote this. Schwede66 18:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm reading that correctly, your only contribution was to add in 'at least', which was BeanieFan's suggestion anyway, and to swap cm and inches, which adds no extra information. I wouldn't say you was involved.--Launchballer 21:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe I wasn't – I'm just trying to make sure to not even give the impression of INVOLVED. Either way, Bruxton has filled that gap once more. Schwede66 22:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have queried, at Zhang Ziyu's nomination, why an article on an athlete who is not participating and has not participated in an Olympics is part of this "drive" and needs to run on 24 July. Looking at this comment, it seems that the original expectation was for very few hooks to come in and lots of supplementary hooks to have to be used, but now we're overflowing with hooks! From the table below, it seems that some days are now scheduled to have three Olympics hooks run, which is over the maximum of two per set. Why can't some of them be moved to run earlier? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You appear to be keen to obstruct that Zhang Ziyu not be promoted to Prep1, therefore practically pushing it into later sets. How does that align with your desire to bring other Olympic-related hooks forward? Isn't that a contradiction? Schwede66 22:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zhang Ziyu is not Olympics-related, along with many other sports nominations which won't be run until after the Olympics are over because of WP:DYKVAR (1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10). I have also noticed and tagged new Olympics-related nominations which aren't in the table yet, such as Template:Did you know nominations/Lê Đức Phát, and more will surely appear shortly. It seems very foolish to prioritise including Zhang Ziyu, who will not compete at the Olympics, when this drive has nominations ready to be prepped on people who actually are competing! I can bet that by the end of this, we will be looking at an entire set of hooks for the final day. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today's main page was significantly unbalanced and I've addressed that by removing one OTD hook and adding a tenth DYK hook, for which I chose Zhang Ziyu. I've issued the credits manually; I did all this some 15 minutes after midnight UTC. Schwede66 01:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run (note that the table has been shifted to the section "Help needed"):

As can be seen:

  • There are three days when we have three hooks.
  • Two of those three-a-day sets occur when all prior sets have two hooks, i.e. there is nothing we can do about it (other than delaying for the third hook to run until after the scheduled day).
  • The third occasion of a three-a-day set is on 10 August, and there are currently three days (4, 8, and 9 Aug) when one of those hooks could run early.
  • Given how it's going, I would expect that we get more nominations, and those one-a-day sets may get busier.

Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, and having thought about it overnight, I would be happy with three Olympic hooks so long as they are adequately separated, so long as they are all Olympic-related. I think two Olympic hooks and a non-Olympic sports hook is a tougher ask. The Zhang Ziyu nomination is less than two weeks old, I don't think there's any danger of it timing out. Happy to hear alternative perspectives on this.--Launchballer 11:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66 It was under the special occasion list with a date of July 28 which is prep 5. SL93 (talk) 00:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake. Prep5 is right. I had recorded it wrongly in my table ... Schwede66 01:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW if you need logistical support, I'm lurking. Kingsif (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of the four hooks for 29 July, one of them is Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics, which can run on any day. I think that one should run on a different day.--Launchballer 21:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is true, but it's currently the only hook that's ready. As it's a "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hook, it's not a good idea to bring another one of this type forward into that set, though. If the three hooks aren't ready, we can always run Template:Did you know nominations/Zhang Ziyu as the second hook if someone wanted to sign that off. Schwede66 23:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, one other from that date has been marked ready (Victor Alvares de Oliveira). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
July 30 will have two "first" hooks (Alyssa Mendoza is in prep 7, and Andy Barat is in SOHA). Do we really want two such hooks in the same prep, even if they are fully verified? SL93 (talk) 21:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment, SL93. The bigger concern that I have is that we have way too many Olympic hooks for 30 July. Here's the two hooks in question:
Shall we combine those into one hook? Two options, with ALT1a less EGGy:
What do you all think? Schwede66 00:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like that idea. SL93 (talk) 02:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we were to do that, we'd get the nominations for 30 July from five to four. As I suggested the combined hook, I'd feel more comfortable if someone else copied it into Prep7.
Four Olympic hooks is still one too many. We have two nominations for triathlon (Shachar Sagiv and Matthew Wright) but I just cannot think of a good double hook for them. The two hooks that are signed off are those that we can combine into one. If the other three hooks all get signed off in time, I suggest we need to cull one of them. I suggest that be the hook for Matthew Wright as it was nominated significantly later than the one for Sagiv (20 July and 11 June, respectively). Just putting this out here for transparency; whilst I did not write the Sagiv article (an IP did), I did nominate it. Schwede66 02:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging nominator of both the proposed double hook and Matthew Wright (triathlete). BeanieFan11. SL93 (talk) 17:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with merging the two hooks (Mendoza / Barat). I could withdraw Wright if necessary. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have consensus for ALT1 or ALT1a. Could somebody who is uninvolved please do the honours and edit the Mendoza hook in Prep7 and add Barat to the mix? Schwede66 06:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BeanieFan11, as yet, nobody has started reviewing Shachar Sagiv's article. Sit tight; Wright might still make it. Schwede66 06:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I promoted it. I am slightly involved, but I boldly acted on it because it doesn't seem worthwhile to wait because it might mess up other prep builders who haven't read this far into the discussion. SL93 (talk) 13:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for doing that, SL93. Much appreciated. I've seen that you have since filled the last few spots in Prep 6. Did you see that the Suriname hook is still in the SOHA for that set? Schwede66 23:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66 I was planning on moving one for it once a hook is approved for it. It doesn't look like there is an agreement. SL93 (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. I didn't read that as there not being consensus; I thought we were just fine-tuning. I wonder whether Arcahaeoindris as reviewer is equally unaware / mis-reading the situation that it requires a further sign off? Schwede66 23:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can promote one of the hooks now if you can point it out. I can't tell which hook version it would be. SL93 (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sachar Sagiv (nom) has just been signed off. It was scheduled as the third Olympic hook for Prep 7 if someone would like to promote that before this gets promoted to become Q7 (it's next up). Kingsif? Schwede66 03:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting here that I merged the Sagiv and Matthew Wright hooks into one - my merged hook used nothing but information from two approved hooks, so this should be okay.--Launchballer 01:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66 Should Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics be on August 2 (like in this list) or August 3 (like in SOHA). SL93 (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a space in prep for it. It's nearly five in the morning where I am so I'm probably too groggy to promote it properly, but that should tell a prep-to-queuer to back off for a few hours. (Does nominating on the IP's behalf make you involved? I don't think it does.)--Launchballer 03:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can shuffle the "foo at the yyyy…" hooks around at will, SL93. It doesn’t matter when they run. Looking at the table, there are currently two hooks for each of those days, so I would go with that. Schwede66 22:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for the prep 6 hook, that prep is now in queue 6. SL93 (talk) 21:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the list here wrt prep/queue 6. If I was to make a personal call on the Philippines article, though I imagine the disparity doesn't need immediately addressing because prep builders won't get there for a few days, I would say August 2 as otherwise (per this list) those two days would be unbalanced in number of Olympics hooks. Kingsif (talk) 22:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 1924 Philippines article seems a shoo-in for a non-that hook, like last month's most successful hook. Maybe something like "why the Philippines held two flags at the opening ceremony of the 1924 Summer Olympics?"--Launchballer 13:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would we rather that, or the Liechtenstein hook to be "... why Liechtenstein decided to use a different flag in the opening ceremony of the 1936 Summer Olympics?" (would also mean more difference between it and the previous Haiti one) If neither of Philippines/Liechtenstein is set to run soon, we could workshop it. Kingsif (talk) 22:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why not both? These can run on any day, so just keep them well apart.--Launchballer 01:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

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The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.

There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

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Suggested date Q / Prep Hooks 18 Jul Hooks 19 Jul Hooks 21 Jul Hooks 3 Aug Hooks 4 Aug
21-Jul Queue5 2 2 2
22-Jul Queue6 2 2 2
23-Jul Queue7 2 2 2
24-Jul Queue1 2 2 2
25-Jul Queue2 2 2 2
26-Jul Queue3 2 2 3
27-Jul Queue4 2 2 2
28-Jul Queue5 3 3 3
29-Jul Queue6 2 4 3
30-Jul Queue7 3 3 5
31-Jul Queue1 3 3 2
1-Aug Queue2 2 2 3
2-Aug Queue3 2 2 2
3-Aug Queue4 2 3 2 4
4-Aug Queue5 1 2 2 3 3
5-Aug Queue6 2 2 1 3 3
6-Aug Queue7 2 2 1 2 3
7-Aug Prep1 2 2 1 2 2
8-Aug Prep2 1 1 1 2 2
9-Aug Prep3 1 1 2 2 2
10-Aug Prep4 3 3 3 3 3
11-Aug Prep5 0 0 0 0 2
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Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
  • I may be out for most of tomorrow (Wed, 24 Jul)
  • I will be out for all of Thu, 25 Jul
  • I will have limited availability on Fri, 26 Jul
  • I will be out for all of Sat and Sun, 27&28 Jul
  • I will have limited availability on Mon, 29 Jul
  • I will be out for all of Tue, 30 Jul
  • I may be out for most of Wed, 31 Jul

After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up?

What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:

  • Respond to new nominations if they come up and slot them into a logical spot in the table below, but it would also be fine to say "thanks, but no thanks – it's too late in the process". That's up to you.
  • On Template talk:Did you know/Approved, move items from their spot to the SOHA
  • Once a day, I update the status items in the table below:
  • items will go from prep to queue, or will have been published on the main page
  • items will go from "Review not yet started" to "under review" to "At SOHA"
  • in the column "prep set", add new preps as they become available
  • Keep an eye on nominations that move close to prep sets becoming available and encourage those who are involved in getting on with it. For example, there are about half a dozen QPQs outstanding and nudging usually results in action.
  • Shuffle things around in prep if needed; encourage promoters to put things into prep if you don't want to do it yourself.
  • Ping admins if things need to move around in queue.

If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's a lot of work, I'm impressed you've handled it all yourself so far. I can probably manage a daily check of new nominations and promoting hooks to newly available preps. Kingsif (talk) 23:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Kingsif. Yes, that is a lot, but it's be much less work now than it was in the beginning. Anyway, if you haven't got time for everything, I suggest the following two priority items:
  1. Place approved noms into the special occasion holding area
  2. Update the table so that there's an overview for prep builders, yourself, etc
I'd say that new nominations is the least important part. As it stands, we have enough. To accommodate more, you'd have to look around which hooks can be merged, which requires thinking time, much reading, discussion, i.e. a lot of work is involved in that. Schwede66 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll get my around the table but got it. Kingsif (talk) 00:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66 and Kingsif: There are four more noms on T:TDYK: Sunny Choi, Sarah Levy (rugby union), Hadi Tiranvalipour, and Iman Mahdavi. Choi should roll on 9 August which isn't open yet, but I don't quite know when the rugby player and the two refugees should roll. If you can review, I can promote.--Launchballer 00:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've dealt with Sunny Choi (nom). It needs another editor to review ALT2 that I suggested. Schwede66 08:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All noms are now in the table. I've also done a big reshuffle and brought noms that are signed off and not date-sensitive forward to create as much breathing room towards the later part of the Olympics. Someone needs to sign off on a hook for Template:Did you know nominations/1964 Summer Olympics medal table and once done, that can go into Prep6. Schwede66 10:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've ticked that one off.--Launchballer 11:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Just nominated Kim Ye-ji (sport shooter). I suspect it would be a mad dash to get her in for tomorrow (although there is a 'foo at the Olympic Games' hook that could be swapped out), but she might be useful to run on the date of the closing ceremony. (She literally went viral a couple of days ago.)--Launchballer 10:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewer needed for Template:Did you know nominations/Kim Ye-ji (sport shooter). There are loads of cool hooks in store. Schwede66 11:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewed. Kingsif (talk) 22:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice! Alright, when are we running this?--Launchballer 23:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've put the "coolest person on the planet" into Q5; admin checks done. Have a look at this video of her breaking the world record. Amazing demeanour. Schwede66 00:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hadi Tiranvalipour (nom) is supposed to be in prep 1, which is the next prep to be moved to queue. Problem is that the review hasn't been started yet. Any takers? Schwede66 00:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Kingsif (talk) 02:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ada Korkhin (nom) is a rather late nomination. It's worth getting this one into the system because it comes with a stunner of a hook! Schwede66 11:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now at SOHA – thanks, team! Schwede66 01:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: Probably too short notice, but might as well ask: would it be possible to feature Template:Did you know nominations/Jamal Valizadeh on August 5? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there are already three Olympics hooks in Queue 6, but 1964 Summer Olympics medal table doesn't have to run on that date and can be shifted back. All it needs at this point is a new reviewer for ALT1, as the reviewer suggested that hook, and then it's good to go. I'm happy to do the admin checks and promote it, BeanieFan11. Schwede66 01:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've done quite a reshuffle to accommodate this hook going into Q6:
When I started this exercise, Valizadeh was still in Prep2, hence I did the admin checks before I moved this hook. However, RoySmith had in the meantime promoted Prep2 to Q2. There have thus been two lots of admin checks done on this hook. I'd be happy to change the credits when Q6 and Q7 go live to reflect the reviewing admin. Let me know if you'd like me to do that, Roy and Leeky. There's now a gap in Q7 that I will fill after doing some admin checks. I'm aware that you don't like that, Roy, hence feel free to repeat the checks. However, the offer stands that I will change the credit note to show my user name once this has gone live. Schwede66 03:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added Minna Stess to the table below for 11 August. Schwede66 10:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted – thank you. Schwede66 01:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And another late candidate for 7 August: Jesse Grupper (nom) Schwede66 09:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just needs the final tick from Narutolovehinata5 (it seems ready) and then it's good to go. Schwede66 01:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the last nomination that I shall add here, and it's my own. Finn Butcher (nom). Could even be used as the lead hook, as we have a series of nice photos. Schwede66 01:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now at SOHA. Thanks! Schwede66 10:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody needs to promote it; Prep5 is already full, so something needs to be shifted back. Schwede66 00:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Z1720, I see that you’ve promoted Prep 5 to queue. None of the prep builders had had time to deal with this hook. If it’s not too inconvenient, could you please slot it in? Thanks so much. This completes the Olympics exercise for 2024! Schwede66 15:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: It has been placed in Queue 5. I did not use the image because the water was obscuring his face, and the next DYK set has a portrait of a man. Z1720 (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. Thank you. Schwede66 19:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As nobody has reviewed the Iman Mahdavi nomination, I shall take the SOHA box off. It can go into the normal review cycle. Schwede66 00:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Schwede, I have not kept up to date on how all this works. Just a note I've reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Iman Mahdavi, it needs a bit of work before passing. CMD (talk) 03:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your note, @Chipmunkdavis. What I'm saying is that Mahdavi is no longer part of the Olympics set, i.e. it will run sometime after the closing ceremony. Schwede66 04:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic hooks table

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On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.

Hooks that have been published, not including current MP
Article (nom) Requested Suggested date Prep set Notes (all times in CEST) Views
2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 21 July Queue 5 This hook names Femke Bol who is due to compete in Paris. We have a second (double-)hook that names here, hence I suggest we run this as the first warm-up hook to put as much time between the two appearance of Bol as possible. This would lend itself as the picture hook as we've got a good photo. 2,950
Breaking Through (2022 film) (nom) none 21 July Queue5 The film deals with real events around the 2002 Winter Olympics, hence it's an ideal warmup hook. 3,579
Zali Steggall (nom) none 22 July Queue 6 1998 Olympic skier 5,727
Ri Jong-yol (nom) none 22 July Queue6 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start 14,746
Yang Jingru (speed skater) (nom) none 23 July Queue 7 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. 5,972
René Heyde (nom) none 23 July Queue7 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. 2,405
Toby Olubi and Can't Touch This (nom) none 24 July Queue 1 One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start (24 is in fact the first day of competitions but we haven't got anything for that day yet). This double-hook has already had its admin checks done (by Cwmhiraeth) 3,542
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American Samoa at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 24 July Queue1 One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics 5,223
Twice a Man (film) (nom) none 25 July Queue 2 ... that Olympia Dukakis's first screen role was in the avant-garde film Twice a Man? That's got to be a brilliant Olympics hook. 4,711
Angling at the 1900 Summer Olympics (nom) none 25 July Queue2 One of the Olympic warmup hooks. 9,438
Camil Doua (nom) none 26 July Queue 3 Flagbearer – Doua is competing in the men's 100 metre freestyle and the heats will be on 30 July. Problem is that we have two hooks for that date already. As Doua is flagbearer for Mauritania, the opening ceremony date is a perfectly viable alternative. Agreed for this to be a standalone hook for its rather cool hook fact. 11,595
Alison McGregor (nom) none 26 July Queue3 The hook mentions that she was an Olympic torch carrier, i.e. a great warmup hook for the opening day. 2,766
Lê Đức Phát (nom) 26 July 26 July Queue3 Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Lê is going to compete in men's singles badminton, with the preliminary round every day from 27 to 31 July inclusive. Any of those days would thus also work. 3,385
Edda Hannesdóttir (nom) 26 July 26 July Queue3 Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Hannesdóttir is set to compete in the women's triathlon on 31 July 3,230
María Sara Grippoli (nom) 26 July 26 July Queue3 Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Grippoli is set to compete in women's 49 kg taekwondo, with all competitions on 7 August. 2,666
Viren Nettasinghe (nom) 26 July 26 July Queue3 Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. 2,655
Chloë Farro (nom) 26 July 26 July Queue3 Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. 3,464
Oyuntsetseg Yesügen (nom) 26 July 26 July Queue3 Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Late addition to the set. The nomination page is already closed; if you'd like to review this, please use the nomination talk page to do so. 130
Fathimath Dheema Ali (nom) none 27 July Queue 4 The women's table tennis singles prelim round starts on 27 July 7,235
Evann Girault (nom) none 27 July Queue4 Girault is going to compete in men's sabre, and that competition is held on 27 July (from elimination to finals; all on one day) 3,825
Lilia Cosman (nom) 28 July 28 July Queue 5 Cosman will compete in the qualification round on 28 July. 11,042
Aminata Barrow (nom) None 28 July Queue5 Barrow will compete in women's 100 metre breaststroke, with heats on 28 July 4,319
Lorrane Oliveira (nom) 28 July 28 July Queue5
potential lead hook
Oliveira will compete in women's artistic team all-around, with qualifications on 28 July. That's the third hook for that day. The nominator says that the team will most likely make it to the finals, to be held on 30 July, but we've got two hooks for that day already, so that's not a good alternative. 		10,444
Adam Maraana (nom) 29 July 29 July Queue 6 My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semi-finals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day. 18,400
Victor Alvares de Oliveira (nom) 29 July 29 July Queue6 Submitted on 18 July hence this one might not make it in time. Alvares de Oliveira is going to compete in men's foil fencing, with all competitions to be held on 29 July. 4,055
Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics (nom) none 1 August One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics 12,506
Alyssa Mendoza (nom) none 30 July Queue 7 Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. 8,941
Andy Barat (nom) none 30 July Queue7 Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Before you promote to prep, please see the discussion above about combining this with the Alyssa Mendoza hook. 5,982
Valentin Houinato (nom) none 30 July Queue7 Nominated to DYK late in the process. Houinato is set to compete in the men's 81 kg judo event, with all competitions held on 30 July 5,618
Shachar Sagiv (nom) none 30 July Queue7 Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 2,221
Matthew Wright (triathlete) (nom) none 30 July Queue7 Nominated to DYK late in the process. Wright is set to compete in the men's triathlon, which is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00. Is there an opportunity to combine the two triathletes in this set into one hook if both nominations get reviewed in time? 3,770
Dylan Travis (nom) none 31 July Queue 1 The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. 9,788
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team (nom) 28 July 31 July Queen1 The U.S. team plays in the preliminary round on 28 and 31 July and on 3 August. We already have too many hooks for 28 July, so any of the other two options will work better. 11,252
Marcedes Walker (nom) None 1 August Queue 2 Walker is going to compete in the women's 3x3 basketball competition and they are playing a round robin round-robin tournament from 30 July to 3 August, playing every day. Hence, there's heaps of flexibility moving this hook around to suit. 9,324
Warren Lawrence (nom) none 1 August Queue2 Nominated to DYK late in the process. Lawrence is set to compete in the men's 50 metre freestyle event, with heats and semifinals on 1 August. 2,619
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics (nom) none 1 August Queue2 One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics 8,007
Emily Ausmus (nom) none 2 August Queue 3 Ausmus is competing in the women's water polo tournament in Group B, with preliminary round games held on 27, 29, and 31 July, and a game on 2 August. Any of those dates are suitable. 7,627
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics (nom) none 2 August Queue3 One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics. We do have an image but it's of rather poor quality. 5,459
2024 World Athletics Relays – Mixed 4 × 400 metres relay (nom) 2/3 August 3 August Queue 4 The mixed 4 × 400 metres relay is scheduled for 2 and 3 August 2024.[1] 4,961
Filomenaleonisa Iakopo (nom) none 3 August Queue4 Iakopo is scheduled to compete in the women's 100 metres, with the preliminary round scheduled to be held on 3 August. 8,179
Apsara Sakbun (nom) none 3 August Queue4 Sakbun is going to compete in women's 50 metre freestyle swimming, with heats and semi-finals on 3 August. 5,166
Mikaella Moshe (nom) None 3 August Queue4 Women's individual archery is already underway, so this can run anytime we want. That said, the finals are on 3 August. 7,423
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles (nom) none 4 August Queue 5
potential lead hook
This is the second hook that names Femke Bol. She is due to compete in 400 metres hurdles (heats on 4 August). 		809
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics (nom) none 4 August Queue5 One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics 11,275
Kim Ye-ji (sport shooter) (nom) none 4 August Queue5 Has already competed; can run anytime 39,422
Piper Kelly (nom) None 5 August Queue 6 Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. 7,202
Aniya Holder (nom) 5 August 5 August Queue6 Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. 4,329
Jamal Valizadeh (nom) 5 August 5 August Queue6 A late request. Valizadeh is set to competed in the men's Greco-Roman 60 kg competition, with proceedings kicking off on 5 August. 10,928
Jenya Kazbekova (nom) 6/8 August 6 August Queue 7 Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date.
Zheng Haohao (nom) none 6 August Queue7 Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug.
1964 Summer Olympics medal table (nom) None 6 August Queue7 Can run whenever. If Jamal Valizadeh gets signed off before Q6 goes live, we'll shift this backwards.
Ruby Remati (nom) None 7 August Queue 1 The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days.
Hadi Tiranvalipour (nom) none 7 August Queue 1 Tiranvalipour is set to competed in the men's 58 kg taekwondo on 7 August.
Jesse Grupper (nom) 7 August 7 August Queue 1 Grupper is going to compete in the lead semifinal of the men's combined rock climbing. That date is not far away but if we can get this reviewed in a hurry, it'll fit into that date alright as we've only got other other nominations (on most days, we have three).
Emmanuella Atora (nom) 8 August 8 August Queue 2 Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August.
Sarah Levy (rugby union) (nom) None 8 August Queue 2 Can run whenever.
Article (nom) Requested Suggested date Prep set Notes (all times in CEST) Status
Manizha Talash (nom) none 9 August Queue 3 Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. published
Logan Edra (nom) none 9 August Queue3 Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? published
Sunny Choi (nom) 9 August 9 August Queue3 Well, that's our third female breakdancer. We really shouldn't have three individuals hooks for breakdancers on the same day. I've suggested a hook with this nomination and propose that we close the other two nominations and transfer the credits across. published
Gaku Akazawa (nom) none 10 August Queue 4 Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. in queue
Alasan Ann (nom) none 10 August Queue4 Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. in queue
Kennedy Blades (nom) none 10 August Queue4 Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. in queue
Ada Korkhin (nom) none 11 August Prep 5 The women's 25 metre pistol competition is already underway and will finish on 3 August. Hence, this can run whenever. Currently scheduled for the closing ceremony date. in queue
Minna Stess (nom) none 11 August Prep 5 Stess is set to compete in the women's park skateboarding event on 6 August. There are three hooks in Queue7 already, which will be published on that day. One of those—1964 Summer Olympics medal table—could theoretically be shifted back, but I've done enough hook shuffling lately. If it gets signed off in time, I shall defer to another admin to make it happen on that day. The alternative day that I've picked here is the day of the closing ceremony; that involves a lot less effort to make this happen. in queue
Finn Butcher (nom) 11 August 11 August Prep 5
potential lead hook
"The Butcher" has unexpectedly won the gold medal in the inaugural men's slalom kayak cross. As such, he has a good chance of being picked as New Zealand's flagbearer, making this a good hook for the closing ceremony date. 		in queue

Rotten tomatoes

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Everything but the kitchen sink
  • ... that many enthusiasts say that a good tomato sandwich is so messy, it should be eaten over the kitchen sink?

The opening to this triggered my weasel watch.

Looking at the nomination, this started with a more definite hook, "... that the best tomato sandwiches are so messy they may need to be eaten over the kitchen sink?" Someone decided that we couldn't say this in Wikipedia's voice because it's not actually a definite fact; it's just an opinion. Instead of finding an actual definite fact, a weasel was found to introduce the debatable opinion. But who are these enthusiasts and are they notable or reliable?

You see, every time I see this weasel wording, I imagine it to be said in the voice of Jeremy Clarkson who would always introduce The Stig like this. Here's a compilation of "Some say..." examples. Delivering absurd facts in this way is a good joke but that's not what we're about, is it?

Bondiola Sandwich

Andrew🐉(talk) 15:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging the involved, @Valereee, CurryTime7-24, and Theleekycauldron: Understand your point. Not sure if it is a weasel but it is probably true of any sandwich. When I saw the article I thought back to my own sandwich article with the hook Did you know... that the bondiola sandwich (example pictured) is a popular street food in Argentina? I enjoyed the tomato sandwich article but I see your point about who the "enthusiasts" are. Myself, I am a sandwich enthusiast but I would need more than just tomato to satiate myself. Bruxton (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anybody who has ever grown tomatoes of their own will understand that a tomato sandwich is a waste of perfectly good bread and mayo. Nothing beats a good vine-ripened tomato, still warm from the sun, eaten just as it is, with the juice dribbling down your shirt. You want some heirloom variety, not the modern hybrids, genetically engineered to have smooth skin and a spherical shape, strong enough to stand up to bouncing around in a truck for a couple of days, and a flavor more akin to cardboard than anything else.
An acceptable variation is thickly slabbed, with a slice of mozzarella on top (the good stuff, freshly made by the deli, not that horrible crap that comes wrapped in plastic), topped with a fresh basil leaf (also from your garden) and some balsamic vinegar. RoySmith (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: Myself I spent 150 bucks on supplies and I grew $4.00 worth of tomatoes. They were good and I made a BLT (minus the L) last night. It was superb and not messy at all. I imagine the bacon held the tomato from slipping around in the mayo and the bread was toasted so it had some grit. Bruxton (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith, speaking as someone who has eaten the kind of tomato you're talking about both standing in the garden (I grew up carrying a salt shaker out to the garden where I'd eat tomatoes like apples) and sliced thick, slathered in Duke's, and sandwiched between two slices of soft white bread, leaning over the kitchen sink, I'm going to have to argue that it's a waste of bread and mayo. Two different experiences, both fab. Valereee (talk) 22:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's true that many enthusiasts make this recommendation. The article supports that assertion. I think the hook is fine as is. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Enthusiasts are, by definition, fanatically in favour of their enthusiasm. You can run anything as a supposed definite fact by using enthusiasts as your weasels. For example:
  1. ... that enthusiasts say that the Earth is flat?
  2. ... that enthusiasts say that Donald Trump won the 2020 United States presidential election?
  3. ... that enthusiasts say that people are really powerful aliens trapped in a human body?
Andrew🐉(talk) 19:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well not "anything", but yes, interesting statements by enthusiasts can make good hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've got more such on the main page today: the "coolest person on the planet" and "the loneliest boy in the world" according to "journalists". All we're doing here is echoing clickbait and hype rather than presenting definite facts. And these don't stand close inspection. For example, the "coolest person on the planet" has soon been surpassed by another sports shooter who is even more of a brief sensation. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 2

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2000 Cambodian coup d'état attempt

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@SL93, BeanieFan11, and Arcahaeoindris: The article says "sentenced to life imprisonment" which isn't the same as "imprisoned for life". RoySmith (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was. I trust what you're saying though. ... that an American citizen was sentenced to life imprisonment for attempting to overthrow the government of Cambodia? SL93 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - what @SL93: said! Arcahaeoindris (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This queue is next up. SL93 (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
27 more minutes. I don't understand why this couldn't have been fixed days ago. SL93 (talk) 23:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DYK admins: This should probably be amended.--Launchballer 23:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done And sorry for not seeing this discussion earlier. Schwede66 23:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Levy (rugby union)

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@Launchballer, Schwede66, and Hey man im josh: Substantial text duplication from eagles.rugby, news.northeastern.edu, and sajr.co.za. See the earwig report for details.

You didn't sign the post, hence no ping eventuated, RoySmith. Let me repeat this exercise on your behalf: @Launchballer, Schwede66, and Hey man im josh: Schwede66 04:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a message to the IP editor who did the expansion on my talk page. I assume that they keep an eye on my talk page. I agree that some copy-editing would need to happen before this can run. Schwede66 04:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a way of purging Earwig's results? I tried to do some work on it earlier but the IP edit conflicted me, and it's still giving cached results.--Launchballer 19:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer I wasn't previously aware that it did any caching, but I do see that there's a "Bypass cache" checkbox on the form, so maybe check that and see what it does? RoySmith (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same problem. I'll try again in the morning.--Launchballer 20:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Addressed. Other than names, per this. --2603:7000:2101:AA00:34AF:AC34:37AD:2505 (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extraneous Nom credit

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The nomination credit to the Example editor that starts at the bottom of the credits with each empty set—* {{DYKnom|Example|Editor}}—has not been removed, as is supposed to happen when the set finally fills. Hoping that an admin can take care of this before the queue goes live. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've given things a bit of a tidy up. Empty lines deleted; noms are now in the right order (not that it matters; it only helps when you check hooks against credits). Schwede66 05:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 3

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Manizha Talash

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@Schwede66, AirshipJungleman29, and BeanieFan11: I'm not following the full history here, but it looks like this was approved as a single hook for Manizha Talash and the other two got added post-approval. I suggest we go back to this being a single. The story really is that 1) there is an Afghani break dancer and 2) that the IOC Refugee Olympic Team exists. Adding the other two names just detracts from that. RoySmith (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that story at Template:Did you know nominations/Manizha Talash... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but it's still the interesting part. What's so special about "two other women are also competing in this sport on another team"? RoySmith (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's at the top of this page (Ctrl+F "talash") and at Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi. With five date requests for that date, it does seem sensible to knock some of them together.--Launchballer 19:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there were four date requests for 9 August (not five). We've (mostly) restricted the sets to three Olympics hooks. Hence, something needs to be merged somewhere. Obviously, we don't need to run all three of the break dancers in the same hook; we can have one plus two across two hooks. I'm open to suggestions. Schwede66 22:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I know this is going to be unpopular but I'd suggest not running Choi and Edra at all. ChatGPT (because I couldn't find the answer on Wikipedia) tells me there's 32 competitors. What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30? I know what makes Talash special, and it's a story worth telling without getting second (third?) billing. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct, RoySmith – I don't find that popular. You ask: What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30? My answer is that the two articles meet all five criteria of WP:DYKAIM. And I suspect that ChatGPT found the answer to your query in this sentence: A total of 32 quota places (sixteen per sex) are available for eligible dancers to compete for the inaugural medals in breaking – that is from Breaking at the 2024 Summer Olympics. Schwede66 23:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding your edit comment "no reason to refer to ChatGPT instead of WP", the bottom line is I spent a few minutes here and failed to find what I was looking for so I went there and got the answer. People come here for answers to questions. If somebody else is doing a better job of that (even if it's because they ingest our data), we're on the road to becoming irrelevant. RoySmith (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a common problem that sports bios don't point to the individual event that competitors are competing in. I've thus tried it to make things as easy as possible by linking to the correct event in my table above that keeps track of everything. I guess what I'm saying is if you are looking for an answer to something Olympics-related, start with the table above. Schwede66 00:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has since been promoted to Template:Did you know/Queue/3 by Z1720. I agree that this composite hook is very dull, which is a shame given the original hook suggestions. Perhaps a compromise could be move one to Q4 as breakdancing will also be occurring on the 10th (even if it's the men's event)? Sdrqaz (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw this discussion before I promoted the queue. I had no concerns with the interest of the hook. I think stating that two athletes are representing their countries emphasises how the IOC Refugee information is unusual. I also do not think that there is a more interesting hook for the two American athletes available. Z1720 (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how to proceed

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I started the review for the page Margaret Eliza Maltby around two weeks ago here: Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Eliza Maltby. Since then, the user who made the nomination doesn't seem to have made any contributions, other than responding with "feel free to withdraw this nomination if it needs to be done quickly" two days ago. As this is my first DYK review, I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to proceed with this nomination. Should it be withdrawn, as concerns have already not been addressed in a timely manner, and the nominator hasn't expressed an intention of preparing the article in the nearby future? Or should I keep waiting until the nominator gets around to it and, if so, what should be considered "quickly"? Thanks. Leafy46 (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Leafy46 Thanks for helping out at DYK; sorry your first review ended up being complicated like this! In any case, I've closed the review as withdrawn. In case you're wondering, you still get credit for the review when it comes to QPQ time. RoySmith (talk) 16:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith Thank you so much for the assistance! Leafy46 (talk) 17:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

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The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 36 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 20. We have a total of 288 nominations, of which 130 have been approved, a gap of 158 nominations that has decreased by 8 over the past 6 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

More than one month old

Other nominations

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solid South

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This article was nominated recently, and I attempted a review, but it appears the nominator misunderstood the nomination process. They nominated the article for DYK in connection with nominating it for GA, apparently not understanding that the article has to pass GA before it can be successfully nominated. I am slightly at a loss about how to proceed. Should I fail the nomination? Can the nominator then propose it for DYK again after (if) it achieves GA status? Or can it be withdrawn somehow? Thanks for any pointers. Yakikaki (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC) Edit: There's a brief exchange between me and the nominator on my talk page casting some light on the misunderstandning. Yakikaki (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the nomination should be failed. The article should be renominated if and when it passes GA. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I see it has been closed as unsuccessful now. Yakikaki (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When is a set going live (from javascript)

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Is there any easy way to compute when a set is going live, from javascript? Basically, I want the text that's in the UTC column of Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes. I took a look at the source for that and ran away screaming. I can see that it ends up calling Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes/QueueCalculator but I can't figure out how to call that, i.e. what "offset" is supposed to be. RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And related to that, @Theleekycauldron would it be possible to add something to PSHAW which provided a link in the prep/queue back to the nomination? Where I'm going with this is being able to click on one button and have a script generate a {{ping}} template for you which includes all the interested parties. RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: When a set is going live? Should be easy – all you need is Template:Did you know/Next update/Time, User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates, and knowledge of multiplication. As for generating a backlink, I think it'd be a little extraneous given that backlinks are available in the credits ("View nom subpage"). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I didn't realize that's what the subpage was. Thanks, that gives me what I need. I'm still scratching my head over the details of how to compute the expected main page time for a queue; I'm pretty good at the mechanics of multiplication, but in this case I'm not quite sure how to find all the things that need to be multiplied. RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYKUpdateBot appears to be down

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Shubinator, the DYKUpdateBot did not swing into action today. I'll do a manual update. Schwede66 01:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All done. Schwede66 02:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, it looks like you didn't clear Queue 2 after you promoted it to the main page. Any chance of getting that done? Many thanks for the manual update! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. I missed step 10. Now done. Schwede66 04:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've restarted DYKUpdateBot, it's back in action. Thanks both for letting me know & the manual update! Shubinator (talk) 05:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. Thanks! Schwede66 08:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special Occasion review request for Siege of Perth

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Unsure how best to make this request, but I had raised Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Perth (1339) some time ago and thought it might be nice to run on 17 August as the anniversary of the end of the siege. Presuming there is no issue with this, I had wanted to highlight it here to request a review, allowing time to deal with any issues and avoid the nomination being overlooked. CSJJ104 (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You were within the six week window so as long as the review passes you should be good to go. NightWolf1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 20:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Aid climbing

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I was away for a few weeks and had Aid climbing in the DYK queue, but never got a notice on my talk page that it appeared on the mainpage, and there is no DYK notice on the talk page of the article.

However, there didn't seem to be issues on Template:Did you know nominations/Aid climbing? My question is did the DYK appear on the main page, or was it pulled? thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It ran. See [2].--Launchballer 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capital Bicycle Club, Emmanuella Atora, The Proms

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Discussion of three DYKs at WP:ERRORS which scrolled off without resolution. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capital Bicycle Club

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The article does not say or claim that this was "the first cycling club in Washington", just that it was "early".

Also, the source doesn't seem to mention pedestrians specifically – just of the "dangerous potential for accidents". Perhaps a concern was the risk of collisions with horses and/or people and property in general?

Note that the hook wasn't checked in the nomination even though it included a first. It was just waved through as AGF.

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added the "first" claim to the article, citing the same source. Pinging Generalissima and BeanieFan11 to consider the other issues. Beanie, we strongly suggest additional scrutiny for "first" hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to take some of the blame here, since I promoted the queue. It's especially embarrassing since ranting about "first" hooks is one of the top ways I make myself annoying at WT:DYK. The unfortunate truth is that when I'm processing queues, I don't have time to read every article in full. I generally just read the hook and then search for keywords in the text to verify the facts. Looking back at the article, I suspect I found "the first such club in the country" and didn't notice this was immediately preceded by "Boston Bicycle Club".
I know this has been said before, but Andrew, you have a keen eye for detail and critical reading. These are valuable skills and in great demand at DYK, so thank you for the much-needed quality control. But it would be even more useful if it was done on the #Next DYK and #Next-but-one DYK sections, so we could catch these problems before they hit the main page. RoySmith (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuella Atora

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According to the source, what she actually said was "Je tape les gens pour vivre". This was not translated by the source and it's not clear what she meant by it as Taekwondo is not usually a professional sport while she appears to have a career as an aspiring professional model. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Proms

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In the fourth hook, there doesn't seem to be any reason for "The" in "The Proms" to be capitalized. Primergrey (talk) 19:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primergrey Thanks for the report. The article is inconsistent on "the Proms" vs "The Proms"; it mostly uses "the", but there's enough instances of "The" to make me unsure what's the right thing to do here. I'll leave it the way it is now and ask about it on Talk:BBC Proms. You may want to follow that conversation. RoySmith (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew Davidson, I don't know if you saw Roy's comment above about checking the "Next DYK" and "Next-but-one DYK" slots on WP:ERRORS before they go live, but I would echo it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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