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Issues identified are: A representative from NESA has emailed us to inform us that Marsalis is not, according to their records, an "Eagle Scout".

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Criticisms POV

There is an abundant amount of POV pushing in the criticisms section. While it is well referenced there are entire statements that don't come from sources, such as the opening of the section:

Marsalis has been criticized by some jazz musicians and writers as a minor and limited trumpeter who pontificates on jazz, as he did in his 1988 opinion piece in the New York Times "What Jazz Is - and Isn't".^[1]^[2]

When both of those sources are checked, nothing along those lines can be found, particularly the loaded words like "minor", "limited" and "pontificated". All in all I feel the section is valid as Marsalis is certainly a controversial figure in jazz with his adherence to traditional jazz. The section just seems to smack of editorial and probably suffers from a WP:WEIGHT problem as well. I may have a hand at editing it some but figured I would let those who may have already worked on this some to chime in.

--WGFinley (talk) 04:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I agree with the first paragraph, line - OK I wrote it - we do have an obligation to keep editorial POV out of it, and the particulars that are cited are damning enough of Marsalis to stand on their own. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 05:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The entire section is a rampant violation of several aspects of Wikipedia policy. The first paragraph contains numerous violations of WP:SOURCE, specifically with citations to personal blogs. The paragraph also has violations of WP:COPYOTHERS in citing copyrighted material. Other citations are to dead links. The second paragraph has no relevant citation, it is purely WP:POVEDITOR. The third paragraph is in violation of WP:SOURCE as the citation is a personal blog. I have cleaned up the article. DanJazzy (talk) 11:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Wynton Marsalis (1988-07-31). "What Jazz Is - and Isn't". New York Times. Retrieved 2010-05-07.
^ Sam Prestianni. "What Wynton Doesn't Hear: Lester Bowie explains". SF Weekly. Retrieved 2010-05-07.

why

the criticisms before the awards and recognitions; i've never seen another wiki article structured that way. the 'controversies' and 'legal troubles' and the etc etc are always after the plaudits. 24.20.121.172 (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fittingly his mouth eclipses his talent. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 03:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Critcisms (Why?)

It seems almost unnecessary to have an entire section devoted to criticism, especially regarding Marsalis' musicianship. Critical reception/opinion is usually reserved for discography and the wikipages of individual works. No other artists or musicians have a section like this regardless of whether they are good or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.30.243 (talk) 21:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See above. Rothorpe (talk) 22:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Family

I took Wynton's brother Mboya off the intro as he's not a notable musician like the rest. If the consensus is to list all brothers, there is also another brother not previously included, Ellis III, who is not a notable musician. Musicandnintendo (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why no mention of his wives and kids? Intentional or just no one has yet done it? Homeboy (talk) 18:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's inexplicable and not at all encyclopedic. 98.123.38.211 (talk) 00:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of Wynton Marsalis's children (born to three different women; he has apparently never married):

Wynton Marsalis, Jr. (son, from a 1983-1991 relationship with Candace Stanley, a computer scientist)
Simeon Marsalis (son, from a 1983-1991 relationship with Candace Stanley, a computer scientist)
Jasper Armstrong Marsalis (son, with the actress Victoria Rowell)
Oni Marsalis (daughter, with Bernice Tsai)

98.123.38.211 (talk) 01:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Marsalis has performed and spoken on every continent except Antarctica?"

How is this unique or any kind of achievement? Every major artist has likely performed on every continent except Antartica. There is no reason for this to be here. Oats11 (talk) 04:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done – agreed; it is a pretty silly claim. We have aeroplanes: there aren't that many continents; there are lots of international artists. I've taken it out and replaced it with a quote from the same piece equating him with Bernstein. I felt this made more sense, though I am not deeply committed to that whole paragraph, and would be interested to see what others would make of it. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 08:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Wynton Marsalis (1988-07-31). "What Jazz Is - and Isn't". New York Times. Retrieved 2010-05-07.

[Bowieonmarsalis-2] Sam Prestianni. "What Wynton Doesn't Hear: Lester Bowie explains". SF Weekly. Retrieved 2010-05-07.

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