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Good articleBatik has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
April 17, 2014Good article nomineeNot listed
May 1, 2014Good article nomineeListed
Current status: Good article

GA concerns

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I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

  • There are numerous uncited statements throughout the article.
    • Fixed.
  • The lead, at five paragraphs, is longer than the recommended number listed at WP:LEADLENGTH.
    • Fixed.
  • There is a gallery section, even though Wikiped is not a gallery (WP:NOTGALLERY)
    • Removed.
  • The "Batik museums" section contains promotional information, including when museums are open.
    • Opening times are plain facts, not promotion, though whether we should be listing such details in a textile article is more doubtful; removed per WP:NOTCATALOG. We could in fact remove the whole thing to a separate list: List of batik museums if folks feel the business of museums is close to off-topic for this article.

Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would have been, as the GA nom a decade ago, had I been informed ... anyway, I've done it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

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Result pending

This article has uncited statements throughout the article, including entire paragraphs, and "citation needed" tags from Jan. 2024. There's also "better source needed" tags from 2021 that need to be resolved in order to maintain its GA status. Z1720 (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed all the uncited, citation needed, and better source needed issues. I've copy-edited the text to fix repetition, vague claims, and anything that sounded promotional. I've merged some near-duplicate sections and removed a lot of gratuitous images. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems very odd that the version that was promoted in 2014 was about the technique used in a number of countries, whereas the version now is about "an Indonesian technique". I'm not convinced that change is in the direction of neutrality, especially as the technique is much older than Indonesia. CMD (talk) 13:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both then (the text I brought to GA) and now, the article covered batik from Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Sri Lanka, China, and Africa, and the old lead said so. To restore that position, I've tweaked the current lead to reflect that more clearly, moved some doubtfully-neutral Indonesian claims out of the lead, and trimmed the Indonesian material in the lead for due weight. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article did cover it, but the focus had shifted. Thanks for the quick work. Some heavy copyediting is still needed, I don't fully understand the first sentence of the History section, and the entire Culture section needs a rewrite. There may be a need for some source checks as well. Moving a bit beyond GA issues, having 3 infoboxes seems a bit much, especially on mobile, but thankfully they're each not too long. There are a lot of subsections, but they seem justified by the diverse subject matter. CMD (talk) 14:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to copyedit a bit, but you are indeed going beyond the GA criteria now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The copyediting is not beyond the GACR, it is very firmly in GACR1. CMD (talk) 14:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done already. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those were just examples. Some of the batik "is close to magical elements from the kingdoms in Central Java and Yogyakarta", others are "identical and representative of Sundanese culture in general", other odd bits are here and there. CMD (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Um, ok, will fix those, but it's no good just waving at the whole article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found all these things on a very quick read, plus other errors I fixed or tagged. I strongly suspect a more detailed look will turn up even more. The process doesn't require doing a line by line breakdown here though given the state the prose was in. CMD (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've been through most of the Indonesianised text, will check the rest. My point was that for a fair process, comments need to be itemised to things that can be specifically actioned, not lumped, so there's a way to respond to each item decently. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]